Alan Williamson and Simon Phipps are playing a bit of “point-counterpoint” on the profitability of open source. What's interesting here is that Simon, the Sun insider, is the one taking the pro-open source position. [Of course, Simon has been taking that position for quite some time, so it's not really that interesting. ]

I've had a bit of debate with some others over this issue myself. How, one friend asked, can Sun take Java (for example) open source when Jonathan Schwartz is shifting its whole business model toward software?

As Simon says (no pun intended), that question is based on confusion between a development methodology and a business model. Sun owns more than just Java–it owns a stack of software and services built upon Java. The Java language development process is a money-losing effort for Sun–it makes all its money off of the technology that is built on top of that language. So, if Sun were to pull, say, a